Aayla Secura Und Shaak Ti
: Ki-Adi successfully levitated a skiff while obstructed by an injury.Honestly not that impressive. When even padawans can lift large boulders, skiffs probably shouldn't be that big a deal for any Jedi Master. Shaak's feat of holding back the water of Kamino's oceans from pouring into the Clone facilities is honestly a much better feat.Luminara managed to engage in a telekinetic battle with Ventress and come out as an equal. What TK feats does she have that are superior?Shaak telekinetically landing blows on Galen Marek and being a canonical superior to Rahm Kota honestly impress me more than stalemating a pre-prime Asajj.Based on.?She's demonstrated proficiency in defensive techniques like Tutaminis and is quicker on the draw than either of them.Isn't that from the TFU comic only?Yeah. Though she also uses it when you fight her as a boss in the game, it just has more of a reddish colour than blue. :Honestly not that impressive.
When even padawans can lift large boulders, skiffs probably shouldn't be that big a deal for any Jedi Master. Shaak's feat of holding back the water of Kamino's oceans from pouring into the Clone facilities is honestly a much better feat.Presuming you're talking about the incident in Republic, she was aided by both Anakin and Obi-Wan. How in the world is that a comparable feat?Shaak telekinetically landing blows on Galen Marek and being a canonical superior to Rahm Kota honestly impress me more than stalemating a pre-prime Asajj.Your point that Ventress was pre-prime is somewhat fair, but landing telekinetic blows on Marek?
That hardly speaks volumes. Force adepts are capable of landing telekinetic blows on each other if the enemy lacks focus in that specific moment. Sora Bulq landed a telekinetic hit on Mace. That doesn't make him as powerful as Mace, nor does it elevate him beyond every Jedi who haven't done so. As for Kota, he's irrelevant.
He is so because I actually never contested that Shaak is more powerful overall than Ki-Adi or Luminara.She's demonstrated proficiency in defensive techniques like TutaminisTo be fair, Force deflection is practically never used to block telekinetic attacks. Shaak's one feat with it isn't too great either, and beyond that, Shaak has never deflected telekinetic attacks herself.and is quicker on the draw than either of them.Really?Yeah. Though she also uses it when you fight her as a boss in the game, it just has more of a reddish colour than blue.Well, as someone who's always prioritized novel over other adaptions (and that's regarding all stories and published works), I've never cared for the TFU comic adaption.
Isn't it contradicted by the more-canon novel adaption? But cool feat regardless. : Presuming you're talking about the incident in Republic, she was aided by both Anakin and Obi-Wan. How in the world is that a comparable feat?Annie and Obi were only helping here in collapsing the tunnel, and then pulling up debris to close it up.
Shaak was the one who held back the ocean, as is implied by the artwork of the comic. And regardless if she had some help or not, even performing a third of that feat is absolutely insane and above lifting a skiff.Your point that Ventress was pre-prime is somewhat fair, but landing telekinetic blows on Marek? That hardly speaks volumes.
Force adepts are capable of landing telekinetic blows on each other if the enemy lacks focus in that specific moment. Sora Bulq landed a telekinetic hit on Mace. That doesn't make him as powerful as Mace, nor does it elevate him beyond every Jedi who haven't done so.For your example: Mace shrugged off Sora's TK and proceeded to knock him out later on with the same tactic. When Shaak TKed Marek, it left him floored long enough that she could gather energy for a kinetite attack, so it obviously did some damage. And Marek only returned the favour when Shaak's back was turned and she thought he died.As for Kota, he's irrelevant.
He is so because I actually never contested that Shaak is more powerful overall than Ki-Adi or Luminara.Well then I'm not sure why we're having this argument if we both agree Shaak is Mundi/Unduli.To be fair, Force deflection is practically never used to block telekinetic attacks. Shaak's one feat with it isn't too great either, and beyond that, Shaak has never deflected telekinetic attacks herself.Didn't Horn use Tutaminis against Durron's TK before?Really?Grievous has casually dodged Mundi's attempts to TK him, but was tagged by Shaak who carefully calculated where he would land. I'd argue she's quicker than him on the draw, at least.Well, as someone who's always prioritized novel over other adaptions (and that's regarding all stories and published works), I've never cared for the TFU comic adaption. Isn't it contradicted by the more-canon novel adaption? But cool feat regardless.Well, is the novel more canon than the comic? I've always been of the opinion that in these types of situations, we just see a bit of a different approach to the fight, but that doesn't neccessarily mean the feats are completely invalid or anything.
:Annie and Obi were only helping here in collapsing the tunnel, and then pulling up debris to close it up. Shaak was the one who held back the ocean, as is implied by the artwork of the comic.The artwork implies nothing of that sort. The clone trooper tells Ti that they're going to hold back the ocean, after which Obi-Wan tells Anakin to focus as they all 'must work in unison'.
Actually, if anything, it implies that Ti is the one blocking the tunnel with rubble, as it specifically zooms in on her face and palm in the panel right after she says 'we need to close the tunnel'.And regardless if she had some help or not, even performing a third of that feat is absolutely insane and above lifting a skiff.Says who? You have no idea if her feat was equally divided between the three of them so they each held back 33,33% of the ocean (lmao), nor have you any idea of how much force it actually took to hold back the water in comparison to lifting a skiff.
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Add in that Shaak was aided whereas Ki-Adi was hampered. Any comparison between the two feats will be nigh-invalid.For your example: Mace shrugged off Sora's TK and proceeded to knock him out later on with the same tactic.
When Shaak TKed Marek, it left him floored long enough that she could gather energy for a kinetite attack, so it obviously did some damage. And Marek only returned the favour when Shaak's back was turned and she thought he died.That Mace later incapacitated Sora with TK actually serves my point. It shows that weaker adepts can knock away stronger ones. Is blasting Marek a good feat?
But again, it's hard to compare to skiff-lifting and the like because it's a totally different type of scenario. For that matter, I would say both Ki-Adi and Luminara could accomplish that feat. The problem here is that none of the characters are good enough to actually TK each other to some everlasting effect.
For them to defeat each other without a lightsaber would be incredibly hard. For someone like Tyranus (just an example) whose telekinetic mastery considerably exceed theirs, he would have a good chance at defeating each of them with TK alone.Well then I'm not sure why we're having this argument if we both agree Shaak is Mundi/Unduli.Shaak can be more powerful overall without being a greater telekinetic. The question here is whether Shaak can defeat them with the Force alone, not which of them is overall stronger with the Force.Didn't Horn use Tutaminis against Durron's TK before?No idea, but to be honest, it's prolly pretty author-dependent. Coincidentially, Kota deflected Marek's TK blows back at him.
Bane did it once in the books and then never again. At least for me, it would be a tactic I would say could possibly by accomplished by Shaak but not something we can say for sure.Grievous has casually dodged Mundi's attempts to TK him, but was tagged by Shaak who carefully calculated where he would land. I'd argue she's quicker than him on the draw, at least.True, but their scenarios are different; Mundi blasted Grievous while Grievous was standing still, and then Grievous simply reacted fast enough to dodge the blast. On the other hand, Ti fired her blast before Grievous was even there, so he obviously would be unable to evade it. Shaak must have somehow predicted that he would land right where she aimed her TK, either because it would logically be the only spot he could land, or she sensed it. I don't think the comparison is as simple as you're making it.Well, is the novel more canon than the comic?
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I've always been of the opinion that in these types of situations, we just see a bit of a different approach to the fight, but that doesn't neccessarily mean the feats are completely invalid or anything.Your stance is fair, but for TFU, it's specifically said that the novel adaption is more true than the others. So I do think that the comic adaption is a little less relevant than usually.we can just end this exchange of words here if you prefer. 4 posts each is plenty for a subject like this imo. TBH, Mundi could solo.I doubt that.
He is good but Legends Shaak Ti would give him a fight (some would even argue she could beat him) and Luminara is decent enough to crush his dream about taking them out on his own.Mundi fighting semi-evenly with Grievous while exhausted and iirc beating Ventress is considerably better than anything Shaak Ti has done imo. Also, Luminara losing to early Clone Wars Ventress doesn't impress me.He'd probably lose the majority, but it's possible he could solo decisively if we knew more of Mundi's abilities. It's not very likely, but it is possible. With Aayla he wins pretty decisively IMO. : Mundi only had a short exchange/stalemate with Ventress although he did admittedly forced her to move back.
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Such skill level would be consistent with his performance against Grevious where he held his own despite exhaustion and psychological/tactical disadvantage.Truth to be told I can't make case for Shaak as convincing as some other users would, but her influence on Felucia, performance against Galen and Magna-Guards are all extremely impressive. I'll elaborate during the daytime if you don't mind.